EVE Search - Petition to CCP to disolve the ISD team

Cutter Isaacson wrote:

Jason Marshall wrote:

Cutter Isaacson wrote:

We do agree on a a few points, I will grant you that.Where we appear to differ is on our approach to the game and the community. I feel no special sense of entitlement just because I have played for a long time, what I do feel is a need for decency.

As I tried to point out earlier, if you knew anything at all about the way CCP staff are trained and regulated, you would already have known that they DO have guidelines to follow, and as is pointed out very clearly in a link I provided earlier, all the ISD members are carefully monitored by the higher ups to ensure that they do their job properly.

What we need is for people to stop making things up as they go along, and then getting angry over those things that they just made up. If you get angry over facts, that is one thing, but to get angry over something that comes only from the inside of your head, well that's just plain silly.

Learn the facts first, post second.

I agree the methods ive backed in this case aren't the most condusive to constructive argument but it is a method most proven to get CCP's attention, I have a little regret with the means we chose but we didn't have many to chose from. I want to apologize to you if I ever personally attacked your person, I cant be sure if I did or not but if I did I really am sorry I genuinely try to remain level headed and reasonable while following Wheatons Law but Eve's community and how CCP interacts with it has always been a big thing for me so I can see if I might have.

I do have a problem with this though:
"As I tried to point out earlier, if you knew anything at all about the way CCP staff are trained and regulated, you would already have known that they DO have guidelines to follow, and as is pointed out very clearly in a link I provided earlier, all the ISD members are carefully monitored by the higher ups to ensure that they do their job properly."

Im not convinced they are getting enough oversight. And if they are I want it to be made very clear that the moderators are acting like CCP wants them to ask. If CCP has decided that they want to white wash the forums and make them more strict than they have in the past then thats fine. But right now the moderation doesnt feel like CCP it feels like a few kids got keys to the city and are doing what they please.

I never ignored any of your points I read through them all and learned a few things. But you can't believe that these people are acting like a paid employee would be acting when it comes to how they operate. Their next paycheck isn't coming from CCP. Up until recently we know who the moderators were, we knew they were CCP employees. At the very least we need to know who these volunteers are, yes that might come with some negative effects ingame with people hunting them just to get a kill on a forum mod, but it will keep them honest and if they are truly interested in helping the community that will be the small price they pay. And honestly this is eve..I would get in on a headhunt for some asshat that did a good guy wrong.

Thank you for a pleasantly worded post, it makes a nice change. I'm pretty sure you have never attacked me personally, but I do appreciate the apology just in case Cool

When it comes to moderation of its staff, CCP take it very seriously, to the point of installing their own Internal Affairs department to oversee any major issues. One of the links I provided earlier on describes in detail how CCP monitors its volunteers, even offering up an example of one who did not quite come up to scratch and was subsequently let go.

I also think it rather unfair to assume that just because somebody is an unpaid volunteer, that they have any less passion or integrity than someone who receives financial compensation in the form of wages. You only need to look at people who volunteer in soup kitchens, homeless shelters and other such things all around the world to see an example of what I mean. They do it because they are passionate enough about it to do it for free. Without wanting to downplay or dismiss the fine work done by CCP's paid staff, I think it says a lot for the volunteers that they would wade through pages of rubbish, and do it for free.

And as for knowing who ISD staff are, that will never happen, and never should. It should be shockingly clear to anyone paying attention that some people do not know when to let go, or where to draw the line, and to have ISD staff exposed publicly would basically mean the end of their EVE gaming career. You cannot in all honesty think that such a situation is fair.